Old Fred
May 11, 2012
Back in the day, Old Fred sired both sprinters and working ranch horses.
From a 1947 issue of Quarter Horse Magazine
Over on the western slope of the Rockies, Don De Mars was talking to Coke Roberds and a few other horsemen. Don asked Mr. Roberds which horse – of all the Quarter Horses he had ever known – he would rather have back if such a thing were possible. And Mr. Roberds (who has been watching, working, and breeding Quarter Horses since the frontier days – and who owned Peter McCue, the fastest Quarter Horse and the greatest Quarter sire ever in Colorado, during his final breeding years) replied without hesitation: “Old Fred. I would rather have Fred than any horse I’ve ever seen. There was only one Fred,” he said, “and there may never be another; for to me he is the horse of a lifetime spent with and for good horses.”
Learn everything there is to know about Peter McCue from his humble beginnings, his race career, where he lived, his owners and much more in AQHA’s FREE report, The Gospel According to Peter.
Old Fred, foaled in the last decade of the 1800s, set the family strain of a great percentage of the Quarter Horses in the Colorado region, and many good horsemen believe him to be the best palomino horse ever foaled. Not only was Old Fred responsible for some of the best Quarter Horses in that state but also most of the palomino horses bred there.
Old Fred was approximately the size of Peter McCue and was brought to Pueblo, Colorado, from Springfield, Missouri, as a 2-year-old. He, along with a palomino filly, was purchased and taken to Hayden. It was here he became known as Old Fred and the mare as Blondie.
Old Fred was by a horse called Black Ball, he by Missouri Rondo, he by Missouri Mike and he by Printer by Cold Deck. Black Ball was out of a mare called Nan, who was part Standardbred. Old Fred was out of a palomino mare by John Crowder by Old Billy. Black Ball was a black horse with white stockings and a blaze face. Nan was the same color.
Truly a great sire, Old Fred sired such notable horses as Bob H, Fred Litz, Pet, Papoose, Old Stockings and many others.
When Don De Mars asked Coke Roberds if he believed Fred to have been as much responsible for speed in his horses as was Peter McCue, the elder horseman’s answer was, “Fred sired Bob H.” Bob H still holds the Hayden track record for a quarter in twenty-three and two-fifths. He was by Fred and out of Queen Litz, a Thoroughbred mare. When 2 years old, Bob H was purchased from Coke Roberds by Marshall Peavy and remained on the Peavy Ranch until he was accidentally killed six years later. Peavy took the Blue Mare by Bob H, and out of a roan mare by Primero, and bred her back to Bob H. The result was Papoose. Papoose was one of the fastest Quarter Horses in that region (winning 27 races before being beaten) and later produced some of the greatest Peavy horses by Ding Bob, who was by Brown Dick and out of Mary McCue.
When Papoose was quite old, Marshall Peavy gave her to Jack Casement. For him, she produced two foals by Red Dog, one of which was Cherokee Maiden.
Blondie, the mare that was purchased along with Old Fred, became the property of Charles Eckstine of Steamboat Springs. This one-time owner of the fastest relay string in the United States bred Blondie to a horse called Big Black. This mating produced a sorrel mare known as Tiny Eckstine, and she was purchased by Lawrance Peavy, who in turn bred her to Bob H. This produced the famous mare, Fleet. Fleet was a sorrel, but when bred to Ding Bob (a brownish dun-colored horse), she foaled five palominos and five sorrels.
Of the palominos, Saladin and Trudy were probably most well-known, while Mary K, Melody and Candy proved most outstanding of the sorrels. Evelyn Peavy Semotan gave Saladin to Marshall Peavy as a colt, and that young stallion sired some fine colts for him. It was said of Trudy that you could tie on to the biggest, wildest cow, and you might break the rope, but they never put Trudy off her feet. She raced well, too – showed good speed on the track. Mary K was the fastest of Fleet’s colts and certainly is a success as a broodmare.
These horses have been mentioned in an effort to show that Old Fred was a sire of sprinters, as well as producing ideal cow horses that could stand up under the hard use required of them in their native home.
What made Peter McCue such an instrumental stallion in the early 1900s? Determine for yourself in The Gospel According to Peter.
Old Fred was an outstanding sire of broodmares. Out of Primero mares, he sired Stockings and Pet for Coke Roberds. When these mares were bred to Peter McCue, they produced such notable horses as Squaw, who won 49 out of 50 races and later proved her worth as a broodmare, Buck Thomas, who did so much good in Texas, and Peter McCue II, a great sire.
Pet is most famous for her son, the Sheik, by Peter McCue. Sheik proved himself a worthy grandson of Old Fred.
The greatness of Old Fred is still very much in evidence. His blood can be found in top horses (and especially palominos) in all parts of the United States – striking evidence that the prejudiced breeders who say yellow horses are incapable of winning and unable to do the work required of the breed are not only wrong but are completely unfair in their biased opinion.
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May 11th, 2012 at 5:56 am
Really enjoy these items from the History of the AQHA .
May 11th, 2012 at 10:08 am
A Good Story.Our good horses had to start from somewhere.I believe we have much faster horses these days though.And much more trainable.But old Fred did help out the palomino colored horses alot.But a good horses is good no matter what color it is.
May 11th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Love these stories on the old traditional horses. My late palomino gelding traced to Old Fred several times. He was built to last and was a I can do that kind of horse.I really miss him still as he passed away in 1992. The miss him is still there.
May 11th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
I love reading about these old foundation horses and never miss a chance to read about them. This is the first time I have seen bloodlines past Old Fred. I am proud to have owned a grand daughter of Joe Reed.
May 11th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Please keep providing info and pics of these old horses.
May 16th, 2012 at 4:26 am
a throughbred named TEDDY really influenced sprinting quarter horses in south louisiana.. my father bred a
doc Horn mare named lillie to Departed, a TB us army remount stallion by TEDDY out of a Last coin mare. departed was loaned and bred for a small fee in the late 1947 year i was born
that mating of departed out of the doc horn mare produced Quennie a 15.1 hand chestnut with two front socks and a star
queenie won 11 of 12 cajun bush track match races (this is not the same Queenie or the club foot) this Queenie was flawless in conformation..her only flaw was disposition in the gates if you artificially held her too long.
thast disposition caused her only loss being whipped and beaten by a new trainer my dad liked/ old man roberie from ville platte louisiana.. half hour in the starting gates queenie did all except roll under the gates. once the gates were opened she promptly jumped the rails and went to the barn saying ENUF IS ENUF
DAD SAid she would hand time 13.25 seconds at 4 arpents , a french measurement which was converte to 256 yards. thats flying
queenie traced back to an old fred great grandaughter that was bred to doc horn
but
teddy the sire of departed is the only TB sire found in all of the the last triple crown champions seattle slew, secretariat, affirmed as well as citation,
TEDDY TB IS NOT GIVEN HIS DUE BEING THE SIRE OF BULL LEA, ETC. SEE pedigree query he is every where
from the a little old cajun, 64 yr old breeding american quarter horses in philippines” my stallion here is CUPID LOVE BLUE, A 3/4 BLLOOD CUZIN TO APOLLITICAL JESS. MY TWO IMPORTEDE MARES TRACE BACK TO QUEENIE BUT ARE LINE BRED DASH FOR CASH AND EASY JET AND ETC ETC
MY QUOTE
‘THE MORE TIMES CHANGE THE MORE GOOD GENETICS STAY THE SAME GAME’
I IMPORTED MY STALLION AND TWO MARES IN 2008 TO PASS MY TIME INTIMIDATING PHILIPINO PEOPLE TO MATCH RACE
THERE ARE GOOD TB IN PHILIPPINES, BUT MY RACE CHALLENGE FRO 300 TO 1200 METERS GO UNANSWERED. ONE MILLION PESOS (20,000) at 400, 800 and 1200..
cupid love blue cannot run on philippine race track coz there racing laws only allow TBs
i trained him and he ran his first breeze 200 yards out the gates in 10.9 seconds. i knew he was a runner so at 5 years old i breed at $500
see my face book r james naquin tnt horse if you want to see him and his first son, COLT 45
tb
May 16th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Old Fred is also the foundation sire of a lot of Paint horses. After seeing all the white on him, I can see why. There are several Quarter Horse lines responsible for lots of Paint “crop-outs”.