Comments on: Rich Colors

By: Basil

Basil — Tue, 27 Jul 2010 04:02:46 +0000

Out of curiosity, what is the genetic profile of the horse in the picture? It looks like a gold champagne, but I’d like to know for sure.

By: Lynn

Lynn — Mon, 08 Mar 2010 18:28:32 +0000

This is a note specifically hoping to catch the attention of Mr. Orr. We had been considering trying to contact you in hopes of just getting a little history about a horse that you bred; his name is The Jungle Shake. I’m wondering if he had another registered name at one time. We now own him. We have for a couple of years now. I found where he raced a couple of times with R Mayo as the jockey but I really know nothing about racing. At one time I found a video online about some horses being stolen and I’m pretty sure that was you. One of the horses in the video (not one stolen) sure looked like “Doc”. It seemed as tho the people we bought him from couldn’t wait to get rid of him but our whole family is just crazy ’bout this guy. Please contact me if you get an opportunity. Thank you. Lynn

By: PATRICIA ANDERSON

PATRICIA ANDERSON — Wed, 05 Aug 2009 02:12:06 +0000

WE HAVE A 3 YEAR OLD COLT THAT HAS A DIFFERENT KIND OF COLOR.HIS SIRE,WHICH WE OWN, IS 16 YEARS OLD AND IS A CHESTNUT WITH A LOT OF BLACK SPOTS AND AMBER EYES(WHICH I,VE LEARNED IS BECAUSE HE CARRIES A HIGH DULTED CREAM GENE). WE’VE RAISED HIS SIRE FROM BIRTH AND ALSO OWNED HIS SIRES DAMN.WE TOOK HER TO THE BREEDERS TO BE BREED AND BROUGHT HER BACK HOME WITH US.( WE WANTED TO SEE THE BREEDING) . SO THIS IS WHERE OUR 16 YEAR OLD STALLION COMES FROM.WHICH WE BREED HIM TO OUR GOLDEN PALOMINO AND GOT THIS 3 YEAR OLD COLT.SO HIS SIRE IS A CHESTNUT AND HIS DAMN IS A GOLDEN PALOMINO. HIS COLOR IS VERY,VERY LIGHT.SOME PEOPLE CALL HIM WHITE,BUT HE IS NOT.HE HAS A LOT OF BLACK SPOTS ALSO,WHITE MANE AND TAIL,STAR,STRIP AND SNIP WHICH IS HARD TO SEE UNLESS YOURE UP CLOSE TO HIM.HE ALSO HAS AMBER EYES AND A GRAY MUSSLE WITH BLACK HOOFS AND NO PINK SKIN.WHEN HE STANDS UNDER LIGHTS HE HAS A GLOW TO HIS COAT.HE IS NOT A CREAM PALOMINO.AS YOU KNOW WHEN A BABY PALOMINO IS BORN THAY LOOK ALMOST WHITE,HE STAYED THIS COLOR,JUST NOT AS LIGHT. WHAT COLOR IS HE? HE IS REGESTERED A PALOMINO.

By: Debbie Black

Debbie Black — Wed, 22 Jul 2009 19:34:22 +0000

There are many genetic modifiers on the coat colors of the American Quarter Horse, as well as other breeds, and these may cause a specific color to have different shades or variations, including modifiers that cause white hairs mixed into a base coat. Horses with such modifiers may in fact be the product of the roan gene, but in such cases the true or classic roan will have a roan parent since the roan gene is dominant and does not skip generations. We have found the roan gene may appear to skip generations when showing up through a diluted parent such as buckskin, palomino or dun. In truth those “diluted” horses are probably also roan, but it is not apparent visibly.

The color of LADYLIGHTNINLEGS may be confused with roan because of the white hair mixed in the coat. Because your mare was sired by a sorrel stallion and out of a sorrel mare she genetically cannot be a true roan. Therefore based on genetic research, the pedigree of LADYLIGHTNINGLEGS and photographs, your mare is correctly registered as sorrel with the description of the white hair scattered over the body. In regard to the tattooer
also calling your mare a roan he may not be fully aware of genetics and/or the rules or guidelines in determining color.

Some horses exhibit just an even scattering of white hair over the body, but more often the white or “roan” hair is heavier in the flanks, over the barrel, between the fore legs or buttocks. Many in the equine world now refer to these horses as Rabicano, which defines a specific white or “roan” hair pattern on a base color.

We are happy to review new photographs of your mare if you wish. Please send them to the AQHA address directed to my attention. A change or correction of the Certificate of Registration will also require you to return the original papers and a $10 correction fee.

Sincerely,

Debbie Black, Supervisor
Equine Color Specialist

By: W.A.ORR,III

W.A.ORR,III — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:17:29 +0000

AQHA,
On the subject of colors Ive sure got a problem with AQHA’s way of determining how a horse is called a roan.I have a mare that is registered as a sorrel.I put red roan on her registration application paper.The AQHA reg. dept. returned it and said she could not be a red roan or any roan because a red roan has a dark head,which she does not have,Well,Ok she is not a red roan.But she is sure a sorrel/roan with way more white hairs ALL over her entire body than sorrel hairs.When I had her tattoed for racing the AQHA identifier even said she is a roan.This filly is named Ladylightninlegs,.She is out of a sorrel mare &Her sire is Country Quick Dash which is a half brother(same dam) to AQHA Champion Country Chicks Man.And my mare is way more of a roan than him.She looks more like a Country Chicks Man daughter than Country Quick Dash.If if it wernt for DNA and the fact that my filly was the first foal crop out of Country Quick Dash and Country Chicks Man wasnt breeding yet Id have my doubts. Also when presented to the AQHA tatooer he ( Dewayne Dominique) said he would have to call her red roan.But because ya’ll (AQHA)returned her reg.application to be corrected said she cant be a red roan because neither her sire or dam is a grey or red roan its not possible for her to be that color,(red roan or a roan).Id bet that if you were unable to look at her sire’s and dam’s colors There is no doubt that she would definetly be called a roan.Not a sorrel with white hairs scattered over her body,She is plum frosty looking.She may or may not ever be able to produce a roan,but she is a ROAN.
I see alot bay roans now and alot of them just have a little roaning in the flanks.This problem sure needs immediate attention by the AQHA Reg. Dept.

Thanks,

By: W.A.ORR,III

W.A.ORR,III — Fri, 12 Jun 2009 21:10:09 +0000

AQHA,
On the subject of colors Ive sure got a problem with AQHA’s way of determining how a horse is called a roan.I have a mare that is registered as a sorrel.I put red roan on her registration application paper.The AQHA reg. dept. returned it and said she could not be a red roan or any roan because a red roan has a dark head,which she does nt have,Well,Ok she not a red roan.But she is sure a sorrell roan with way more white hairs ALL over her entire body than sorrel hairs.When I had her tattoed for racing the AQHA identifier even said she is a roan.This filly is named Ladylightninlegs,Her sire is Country Quick Dash and is a half brother(same dam) to AQHA Champion Country Chicks Man.And my mare is way more of a roan than him.She looks more like a Country Chicks Man daughter than country Quick Dash.If if it wernt for DNA and the fact that my filly was the first foal crop out of Country Quick Dash and Country Chicks Man wasnt breeding yet Id have my doubts. Also when presented to the AQHA tatooer he ( Dewayne Dominique) said he would have to call her red roan.But because ya’ll (AQHA) say she cant be a red roan because neither her sire or dam is a grey or red roan its not possible for her to be that color.So if you were unable to look at her sire’s and dam’s colors There is no doubt that she would definetly be called a roan.Not a sorrel with white hairs scattered over her body,She is plum frosty looking.She may or may not ever be able to produce a roan,but she is a ROAN.
I see bay roans now and alot of them just have a little roaning in the flanks.This problem sure needs immediate attention by the AQHA Reg. Dept.

Thanks,

By: susan

susan — Thu, 11 Jun 2009 15:20:16 +0000

A mare got bred by both of our studs, one stud is Cremello, one is Bay. The foal is blue eyed, pink skin, and has cream color tail with white and shedding is white in color around eyes. Can you help us with her parentage or does it have to be done another way?

By: Eloise Senyan

Eloise Senyan — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 23:44:28 +0000

Is this not the color of the Akhal-Teke, a breed from Russia and Turkmenistan known for its metallic sheen-colored coat?

By: Michael Christie

Michael Christie — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 08:31:24 +0000

Good day Edith, Several labs can test for the champagne gene now. If you go to the ICHR website at http://www.ichregistry.com you can find out a lot of information in general about champagnes, plus find links to several labs that can test for champagne for you. Enjoy your boy, Cheers

By: Edith Bowerbank

Edith Bowerbank — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 04:39:15 +0000

Hi I have a two year old gelding with all the of the characteristics
of the color champagne. When he was born he had blue eyes and his body was the palomino color his main and tail were sorrel but as he got older it changed to white. How can I have him tested for champagne? I would like to have it on his papers.

By: Florian

Florian — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 02:55:34 +0000

on the contrary, AQHA does identify bay roan. they have been registered as such for several years now. you need to be more up-to-date on the accepted colors.

By: Chris Evans

Chris Evans — Wed, 10 Jun 2009 00:04:08 +0000

This is all very interesting, but on colors AQHA still does not identify the difference between a Bay roan (red roan) and a Chestnut or Sorrel roan (strawberry roan) properly. Instead they are both called Red Roans. Horse identification and color inheritance are interesting, so lets get them right !