Comments on: To Breed or Not to Breed http://americashorsedaily.com/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/ The Complete Source for All Things Horse Mon, 13 Feb 2012 03:29:55 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Daily breed | TheBeverages http://americashorsedaily.com/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/comment-page-1/#comment-11635 Daily breed | TheBeverages Fri, 04 Mar 2011 12:21:10 +0000 http://americashorsedaily.com/?p=11433#comment-11635 [...] To Breed or Not to Breed – America’s Horse DailyIs it a good idea to breed your mare? … You have made the decision to breed your mare, and the search is on for the perfect stallion. “WHOA!” Back up a couple of steps and ask yourself a few important questions before you go “stallion shopping.” First and foremost, why do you want to breed … America’s Horse Daily… [...] [...] To Breed or Not to Breed – America’s Horse DailyIs it a good idea to breed your mare? … You have made the decision to breed your mare, and the search is on for the perfect stallion. “WHOA!” Back up a couple of steps and ask yourself a few important questions before you go “stallion shopping.” First and foremost, why do you want to breed … America’s Horse Daily… [...]

]]> By: Happy and Healthy Stallions: Part 1 – America’s Horse Daily http://americashorsedaily.com/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/comment-page-1/#comment-7119 Happy and Healthy Stallions: Part 1 – America’s Horse Daily Fri, 18 Jun 2010 12:03:56 +0000 http://americashorsedaily.com/?p=11433#comment-7119 [...] he’s 1½ to 2 years old, he’ll be able to breed. At that time, as his hormone levels increase, so does his energy. Increasing his training schedule [...] [...] he’s 1½ to 2 years old, he’ll be able to breed. At that time, as his hormone levels increase, so does his energy. Increasing his training schedule [...]

]]> By: Tawny http://americashorsedaily.com/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/comment-page-1/#comment-5787 Tawny Fri, 05 Mar 2010 18:09:06 +0000 http://americashorsedaily.com/?p=11433#comment-5787 Here is another for instance, I break and train horses, usually our own but I do occasionally have someone bring me a horse, this man goes to a horse sale one day, he wants to be somebody in front of his friends, so he buys a cheap geilding that isn't even rode through the ring, the only story on it is it bucked someone off in a parade, he goes directly from the sale and shows up at my place and says will you ride him first and tell me if he is any good or if there is something wrong with him, me thinking ok, this man is trying to save this horse and wants a good rope horse, by all accounts he was a big stout quarter horse, legs were good, kind eye etc.., so I put the saddle on him, worked him in the round pen for a bit and he was fine,the man then said can you keep him for a bit and put some training into him so I can use him, I agreed, with the understanding that it would cost him, he said ok, I put some time on the horse, then realized the person who previously owned him used a pitchfork on him to catch him because he was afraid of him, so I worked on trust and rebuilt it through time and patience, he turned out to be one heck of a horse, this man showed up one day and stated he wanted to take the horse to a roping, I said he should be great, I didn't hear from this man for a bit, then was notified by a friend that he took him to another sale without even riding him and sent him in for slaughter, he made fifty dollars above the price he originally paid for him and I never saw a dime for all the work I did, I was just sick, so I let everyone know immediately, do not bring horses to me, I do not want the responsibility in helping people make a dollar this way, there was absolutely nothing wrong with that horse, he just bought it at the sale because his friends were there buying animals, now how ridiculous is that, we keep most of our horses and use them for cutting cows, and rounding up cows and such, the only ones that leave us are the ones that are tired of ranch work and are great kids horses, and we are very careful who we sell them to, this world is getting crazy, and the only ones suffering are the animals, that is for sure. Here is another for instance, I break and train horses, usually our own but I do occasionally have someone bring me a horse, this man goes to a horse sale one day, he wants to be somebody in front of his friends, so he buys a cheap geilding that isn’t even rode through the ring, the only story on it is it bucked someone off in a parade, he goes directly from the sale and shows up at my place and says will you ride him first and tell me if he is any good or if there is something wrong with him, me thinking ok, this man is trying to save this horse and wants a good rope horse, by all accounts he was a big stout quarter horse, legs were good, kind eye etc.., so I put the saddle on him, worked him in the round pen for a bit and he was fine,the man then said can you keep him for a bit and put some training into him so I can use him, I agreed, with the understanding that it would cost him, he said ok, I put some time on the horse, then realized the person who previously owned him used a pitchfork on him to catch him because he was afraid of him, so I worked on trust and rebuilt it through time and patience, he turned out to be one heck of a horse, this man showed up one day and stated he wanted to take the horse to a roping, I said he should be great, I didn’t hear from this man for a bit, then was notified by a friend that he took him to another sale without even riding him and sent him in for slaughter, he made fifty dollars above the price he originally paid for him and I never saw a dime for all the work I did, I was just sick, so I let everyone know immediately, do not bring horses to me, I do not want the responsibility in helping people make a dollar this way, there was absolutely nothing wrong with that horse, he just bought it at the sale because his friends were there buying animals, now how ridiculous is that, we keep most of our horses and use them for cutting cows, and rounding up cows and such, the only ones that leave us are the ones that are tired of ranch work and are great kids horses, and we are very careful who we sell them to, this world is getting crazy, and the only ones suffering are the animals, that is for sure.

]]> By: Tawny http://americashorsedaily.com/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/comment-page-1/#comment-5786 Tawny Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:51:12 +0000 http://americashorsedaily.com/?p=11433#comment-5786 Also, this person that has been turned in was investigated and he had about five square bales of the worst rotten hay on the place and most horses suffering were locked inside a huge arena, the investigators stated, he has hay on the place and we aren't allowed to enter his arena without permission, now isn't that interesting, so these horses continue to suffer and people drive by and have to see it on a daily basis knowing there is nothing they can do, just boggles my mind completely, you would think the poor economy and horse market would put these people out of business but it is not, most of these so called breeders that don't even know what they are breeding, are expecting the slaughter houses to open back up so they can run thousands through and make ten dollars per horse, now isn't that something, sorry to be so blunt but the horrific things I've seen and what some of them say just floors me, If you are thinking about breeding, go to allbreedpedigree or qhd.com and look up the pedigree on both the stallion and the mare, then make sure they are both broke and doing something besides standing around, then look at temperments, all of these things are so important, Or just go to a reputable sale and buy a good horse with a good pedigree that is broke, there are enough of them out there, It makes no sense at all for someone to breed horses without realizing you have to feed it and care for it until it is two to three years old when the knees are closed to ride it, then you have to break it or pay someone to break it, and it may turn out to be more than you can handle when you are done, by then you have thousands into a horse you could have just went and bought for less. lets give that some thought shall we. Also, this person that has been turned in was investigated and he had about five square bales of the worst rotten hay on the place and most horses suffering were locked inside a huge arena, the investigators stated, he has hay on the place and we aren’t allowed to enter his arena without permission, now isn’t that interesting, so these horses continue to suffer and people drive by and have to see it on a daily basis knowing there is nothing they can do, just boggles my mind completely, you would think the poor economy and horse market would put these people out of business but it is not, most of these so called breeders that don’t even know what they are breeding, are expecting the slaughter houses to open back up so they can run thousands through and make ten dollars per horse, now isn’t that something, sorry to be so blunt but the horrific things I’ve seen and what some of them say just floors me, If you are thinking about breeding, go to allbreedpedigree or qhd.com and look up the pedigree on both the stallion and the mare, then make sure they are both broke and doing something besides standing around, then look at temperments, all of these things are so important, Or just go to a reputable sale and buy a good horse with a good pedigree that is broke, there are enough of them out there, It makes no sense at all for someone to breed horses without realizing you have to feed it and care for it until it is two to three years old when the knees are closed to ride it, then you have to break it or pay someone to break it, and it may turn out to be more than you can handle when you are done, by then you have thousands into a horse you could have just went and bought for less. lets give that some thought shall we.

]]> By: Tawny http://americashorsedaily.com/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/comment-page-1/#comment-5785 Tawny Fri, 05 Mar 2010 17:38:02 +0000 http://americashorsedaily.com/?p=11433#comment-5785 Boy is there alot of truth to all that has been said. I am a breeder, but a very careful breeder, I grew up around racetracks and I've seen what money can do to animals, money truly is the root of all evil. I grew up knowing that breeding horses and raising them is a hobby, It is not a money maker, you spend approximately 3800.00 per year per horse just to feed them, that doesn't include there feet, and vets and everything else, you have to make a plan and stick with it, I told myself, get the best breeding to produce the best and limit yourself to ten mares, we live on a ranch of 360 acres and we use all of them for ranch use, including the stallions, if they aren't broke and usable what's the point, I live in montana and there are some here that have over 100 head of mares and up to fifteen stallions, the stallions are not broke and stand on four foot of manure locked in pens most of the year, most are starving, I asked this person one day, what are you doing? He told me I am trying to produce better than the stallion and used doc bar as a reference, I about fell over with disgust, I then realized he had kept every stud colt out of every stallion he owns and it is truly a nightmare, not everyone is that way here but this individual could surely open anyones ideas on breeding anything, he was reported numerous times because of the horses starving and suffering but no one will do anything about it, I rescued many from him, one is a five year old otoe bred geilding which I had geilded the day I bought him, he is the size of a shetland pony but he was so sad I could not resist, then I rescued several more, but I could only take on so many, this man breeds horses like flies, and should not even own one, he has over sixty foals coming this year and there future is extremely bleak, to say the least, I then realized looking around he has over thirty stud horses standing around starving to death in horrible condition, So believe me I can truly appreciate all that is said in this site, if you could see what I run into you would not even let fleas breed. another buried 25 plus horses on his place last year from starving, he has over sixty foals coming this year also, I did some research on these so called stud horses these people are breeding and wow, they all should have been geilded, they have nothing worth while in them until you hit the seventh generation of there pedigree, and none of the stallions are broke so they have no idea what they are breeding, it is getting pretty sad out there and I truly wish people would have a conscience, there are so many well bred horses out there and these people I've discussed are just breeding meat, I hate to be so discriptive but honestly when someone takes a trailer load of weanlings to a sale and they all go for slaughter this should turn the light bulb on, but it doesn't seem to bother them, Just way tooo sad. Boy is there alot of truth to all that has been said. I am a breeder, but a very careful breeder, I grew up around racetracks and I’ve seen what money can do to animals, money truly is the root of all evil. I grew up knowing that breeding horses and raising them is a hobby, It is not a money maker, you spend approximately 3800.00 per year per horse just to feed them, that doesn’t include there feet, and vets and everything else, you have to make a plan and stick with it, I told myself, get the best breeding to produce the best and limit yourself to ten mares, we live on a ranch of 360 acres and we use all of them for ranch use, including the stallions, if they aren’t broke and usable what’s the point, I live in montana and there are some here that have over 100 head of mares and up to fifteen stallions, the stallions are not broke and stand on four foot of manure locked in pens most of the year, most are starving, I asked this person one day, what are you doing? He told me I am trying to produce better than the stallion and used doc bar as a reference, I about fell over with disgust, I then realized he had kept every stud colt out of every stallion he owns and it is truly a nightmare, not everyone is that way here but this individual could surely open anyones ideas on breeding anything, he was reported numerous times because of the horses starving and suffering but no one will do anything about it, I rescued many from him, one is a five year old otoe bred geilding which I had geilded the day I bought him, he is the size of a shetland pony but he was so sad I could not resist, then I rescued several more, but I could only take on so many, this man breeds horses like flies, and should not even own one, he has over sixty foals coming this year and there future is extremely bleak, to say the least, I then realized looking around he has over thirty stud horses standing around starving to death in horrible condition, So believe me I can truly appreciate all that is said in this site, if you could see what I run into you would not even let fleas breed. another buried 25 plus horses on his place last year from starving, he has over sixty foals coming this year also, I did some research on these so called stud horses these people are breeding and wow, they all should have been geilded, they have nothing worth while in them until you hit the seventh generation of there pedigree, and none of the stallions are broke so they have no idea what they are breeding, it is getting pretty sad out there and I truly wish people would have a conscience, there are so many well bred horses out there and these people I’ve discussed are just breeding meat, I hate to be so discriptive but honestly when someone takes a trailer load of weanlings to a sale and they all go for slaughter this should turn the light bulb on, but it doesn’t seem to bother them, Just way tooo sad.

]]> By: Kristen Hudson http://americashorsedaily.com/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/comment-page-1/#comment-5477 Kristen Hudson Mon, 25 Jan 2010 00:56:25 +0000 http://americashorsedaily.com/?p=11433#comment-5477 Very good point Tammy D. Does any one think of these animals? I feel no one in the USA should breed anything for 1 year. There are so many unwanted horses out there and we the horse people of the USA ARE MAKING IT WORSE! People have this lame attitude that any one can breed and make money. MY horse has great blood lines, what ever. Let me ask you this question, does great blood lines mean they will win in the show pen? NO. Come on people, we need to seriously think about this, just because you get a great colt out of your oh so special mare is no reason to keep him a stud and try to breed him to any one who will give you $200.I think we need some, "note how I said some" regulation on this from the breed associations. The market would pobably come back up a little if every body and there brother couldn't be willy nilly breeding every thing they own. Now let me explain why I feel so passionate about this. About 2 years ago a friend of mine sold the second horse she had BREED, a filly, some guy bought her and 2 months latter he was done and just gave her away, and that person gave her away, (after 4 homes) she ended up at a farm that breed and showed QH and Paints, where she was starved for about 8 months untill my friend finally begged me to help get her back. She ended up having to buy her for 200$. This gut said he wanted somthing for what he was out in feed??? are you joking! Now she is stunted, is 2 1/2 and looks like a small yearling. Granted she will be fine now. I am going to train her and my daughter is going to show her this spring and summer until she sells to a GOOD home, if there is such a thing in this horse world any more! I would eat peanut butter/jelly get a second job WHATEVER to pay for my horses care. I would never starve them. And to all those people out there who got in over your heads, Ask for help don't just lock them up in the barn and pray it all goes away, it won't. Cut your losses and think of the horses 1st. Stop the Maddness, BREEDING HORSES WON'T MAKE YOU RICH!!!! Very good point Tammy D.
Does any one think of these animals? I feel no one in the USA should breed anything for 1 year. There are so many unwanted horses out there and we the horse people of the USA ARE MAKING IT WORSE! People have this lame attitude that any one can breed and make money. MY horse has great blood lines, what ever. Let me ask you this question, does great blood lines mean they will win in the show pen? NO. Come on people, we need to seriously think about this, just because you get a great colt out of your oh so special mare is no reason to keep him a stud and try to breed him to any one who will give you $200.I think we need some, “note how I said some” regulation on this from the breed associations. The market would pobably come back up a little if every body and there brother couldn’t be willy nilly breeding every thing they own. Now let me explain why I feel so passionate about this. About 2 years ago a friend of mine sold the second horse she had BREED, a filly, some guy bought her and 2 months latter he was done and just gave her away, and that person gave her away, (after 4 homes) she ended up at a farm that breed and showed QH and Paints, where she was starved for about 8 months untill my friend finally begged me to help get her back. She ended up having to buy her for 200$. This gut said he wanted somthing for what he was out in feed??? are you joking! Now she is stunted, is 2 1/2 and looks like a small yearling. Granted she will be fine now. I am going to train her and my daughter is going to show her this spring and summer until she sells to a GOOD home, if there is such a thing in this horse world any more! I would eat peanut butter/jelly get a second job WHATEVER to pay for my horses care. I would never starve them. And to all those people out there who got in over your heads, Ask for help don’t just lock them up in the barn and pray it all goes away, it won’t. Cut your losses and think of the horses 1st. Stop the Maddness, BREEDING HORSES WON’T MAKE YOU RICH!!!!

]]> By: KCashatt http://americashorsedaily.com/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/comment-page-1/#comment-5333 KCashatt Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:17:38 +0000 http://americashorsedaily.com/?p=11433#comment-5333 I also appreciated your piece. If I could tell every single person to make sure that they want a duplicate of the personality of the mare they breed - then by all means do so. A client came to me asking who I thought she should breed her mare too. First I went over all the difficulties she had with the mare which were she was very disrespecful and at times dangerous, was real tough mare to start because of being real opinonated and would she want another one like her. She said although she loved her mare and thought she was "the most beautiful in all the world" she was not capable to raise a baby that would be just like her. Additionally those of us who have been breeding our own mares for several years can go out into the yearling field/paddock and usually say to each one after a few moments "I know who YOUR mamma is!" I also appreciated your piece. If I could tell every single person to make sure that they want a duplicate of the personality of the mare they breed – then by all means do so. A client came to me asking who I thought she should breed her mare too. First I went over all the difficulties she had with the mare which were she was very disrespecful and at times dangerous, was real tough mare to start because of being real opinonated and would she want another one like her. She said although she loved her mare and thought she was “the most beautiful in all the world” she was not capable to raise a baby that would be just like her.

Additionally those of us who have been breeding our own mares for several years can go out into the yearling field/paddock and usually say to each one after a few moments “I know who YOUR mamma is!”

]]> By: KCashatt http://americashorsedaily.com/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/comment-page-1/#comment-5332 KCashatt Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:17:00 +0000 http://americashorsedaily.com/?p=11433#comment-5332 "I know who YOUR mamma is!" “I know who YOUR mamma is!”

]]> By: KCashatt http://americashorsedaily.com/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/comment-page-1/#comment-5330 KCashatt Wed, 06 Jan 2010 02:15:35 +0000 http://americashorsedaily.com/?p=11433#comment-5330 I also appreciated your piece. If I could tell every single person to make sure that they want a duplicate of the personality of the mare they breed - then by all means do so. A client came to me asking who I thought she should breed her mare too. First I went over all the difficulties she had with the mare which were she was very disrespecful and at times dangerous, was real tough mare to start because of being real opinonated and would she want another one like her. She said although she loved her mare and thought she was "the most beautiful in all the world" she was not capable to raise a baby that would be just like her. Additionally those of us who have been breeding our own mares for several years can go out into the yearling field/paddock and usually say to each one after a few moments "I know who were mamma is!" I also appreciated your piece. If I could tell every single person to make sure that they want a duplicate of the personality of the mare they breed – then by all means do so. A client came to me asking who I thought she should breed her mare too. First I went over all the difficulties she had with the mare which were she was very disrespecful and at times dangerous, was real tough mare to start because of being real opinonated and would she want another one like her. She said although she loved her mare and thought she was “the most beautiful in all the world” she was not capable to raise a baby that would be just like her.

Additionally those of us who have been breeding our own mares for several years can go out into the yearling field/paddock and usually say to each one after a few moments “I know who were mamma is!”

]]> By: jay http://americashorsedaily.com/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/comment-page-1/#comment-5328 jay Wed, 06 Jan 2010 00:50:10 +0000 http://americashorsedaily.com/?p=11433#comment-5328 I also like this article. Mainly because I have a Morgan mare, good confirmation, beautiful coloring, excellent temperament, good size, great bloodlines, but I will not breed. Mostly because I'm not ready for a foal. I would love to but logic tells me that I'm not prepared for it. Maybe someday when (and before she gets too far in years) I'll breed her. But not now, I do keep my eye open for a stallion though, so I know what and where when the time comes. I also like this article. Mainly because I have a Morgan mare, good confirmation, beautiful coloring, excellent temperament, good size, great bloodlines, but I will not breed. Mostly because I’m not ready for a foal. I would love to but logic tells me that I’m not prepared for it. Maybe someday when (and before she gets too far in years) I’ll breed her. But not now, I do keep my eye open for a stallion though, so I know what and where when the time comes.

]]> By: Tammy Davis http://americashorsedaily.com/to-breed-or-not-to-breed/comment-page-1/#comment-5267 Tammy Davis Wed, 30 Dec 2009 04:34:37 +0000 http://americashorsedaily.com/?p=11433#comment-5267 I truly appreciate you putting the thought of a mare's temperment having a bearing on the foals personality out there. How true! I have a mare I bred twice and I have a pair just like her. Easy to handle and ride but total idiots in their pens. My other horses are Foundation Quarters - mares 99% and I have a stallion of like breeding. They will all be 7 years old next week and I have one foal from a pair of them. Now I'm faced with the fact that I have excellent bloodlines that would have no prospect of sale in the current economy. To breed or not to breed - great mix no market. I truly appreciate you putting the thought of a mare’s temperment having a bearing on the foals personality out there. How true! I have a mare I bred twice and I have a pair just like her. Easy to handle and ride but total idiots in their pens. My other horses are Foundation Quarters – mares 99% and I have a stallion of like breeding. They will all be 7 years old next week and I have one foal from a pair of them. Now I’m faced with the fact that I have excellent bloodlines that would have no prospect of sale in the current economy. To breed or not to breed – great mix no market.

]]>